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Timing is Everything - Feb 6, 2010


Glen: Hello.

Jerd: Hello, Glen.

Glen: Hi, how are you?

Jerd: Ahh, I'm running on a treadmill, man.

Glen: What's happening?

Jerd: I felt like talking to somebody who understands.

Glen: I just got off the phone with a guy who asked me the same questions about Alan Watt , as
people have asked for three years. I felt like saying, have you been in the bush?

Jerd: I guess when people get out of that realm, they have those same questions.

Glen: Anyway, that's life.

Jerd: Do you think his superiors tell him…

Glen: I have no idea how he operates.  I got the sense of when I was speaking to him was that
most of his audience seemed to have a religious bent.

Jerd: Well, he's religious in his own right. He calls it spirituality.

Glen: Just like gin, eh? Scotch, rye, whatever.

Jerd: Speaking of gin, gin gin, that's in that book, The Pilgrim's Progress, one of the things that
the person had on their journey, they were given a bottle of spirits to use, and I was like, what?

Glen: Well, it comes with a label, Grey Goose Vodka. The best vodka in the world, they say daily
on television. I don't know how you prove that.


Jerd: They just tell you and you believe it.

Glen: Yeah. So, why not?  Everybody else does that.

Jerd: I was in the gym , on the elliptical  machine, where instead of  running on a treadmill, you
move your arms and your legs. I glanced over at the TV and I see a number. I thought to myself,
wow, they put a number on TV every day, and people either really respect the number , or they
frown when they see a certain number.  It's just interesting as you analyze the system more and
more, it's a big joke. How do you keep from flipping out or just losing it?

Glen: I guess its experience learned from life, that first time things happen to you, you kind of
react. The second time they happen, you react in slow motion, and the third time you don't react,
you just wonder if people will ever learn.

Jerd: I was at work and I get so tired of people saying, oh, just stay happy, be happy.  It's people
who are 60, 70, years old saying this. That's what really gets me, man. I guess that's how powerful
programming can be. To just walk off the cliff happily. I was talking to another guy about, weemen
and stuff, and he said something really interesting. It's something that I actually saw in a movie.
I'll probably mail it to you when I send you or something. It's a movie called Beowulf which takes
place in a Viking, sort of environment.

But in the movie, he has to  fight this demon lady living in a cave, and she has a demon child. He
finds out that the child of the demon lady was actually a child of the king, because the king had
sex with the demon lady.  Allegorically this demon lady represented weemen but she lured this
guy into her cave, they had sex,  and she made a child. They  made an agreement, and used this
horn.  I thought about the horn that you mentioned with Zulu, and I was reading about the horn.
They call it the horn of plenty , or cornucopia.  Is this horn  a communications thing, or is there
something more to the horn?

Glen: The horn of plenty?

Jerd: Mm-hmm. Because these are all analogous to each other, the horn of plenty, the Zulu horn.
Were they talking about the phone, telus, or?

Glen: Well, I don't know, because they use it in a lot of contexts. The concept that you have more
than you need is basically the imagery that I get.

Jerd: In that movie, the allegory that this guy was telling was me, was how the weemen, lure you
in, and once you're in, they just leave you.

Glen: Lead you?


Jerd: Yeah, they lure you in, and when you're in the cave with them, it's like you're in a position
where they could just leave you where you stand.

Glen: Sounds like a nunnery. Get married to Jesus once you're in. Hey, I left the world not to be
married to Jesus. I end up as a nun.  Then the first thing they want to do is turn you into a wife
again. That's the feeling I get that women must feel when they've been suckered.  Why would
they call their vow their last vow, unless there were many other vows before?

So, in other words, it's like Freemasonry. You make vows without the whole body of information.
You have to wait until you've climbed the pyramid almost to the top before they tell you this true
story about that you're...

Jerd: Most people in their lifetime don't climb that pyramid. In Freemasonry, say a guy's a mason,
I think the one who climbs up highest is the child of the mason. Like it's like a genetic...

Glen: Yeah, you have to be third generation before you are considered basically , free of sin. Or
the possibility of sin. That would be talking about what you know.

Jerd: Oh, so the nunneries, that's how they bring these new...

Glen: Novices, they call them. No Vice. They became president without being vice president.

Jerd: I see these monkish groups and I think they call them the Franciscans or the Augustinians.
You don't have to be a nun. From what I saw on the internet, you can be a regular married couple
and be part of...

Glen: Depends on which group you're involved with. Some of them allow marriage. Different set
of rules.

Jerd: So those people can just adopt a baby supposedly.

Glen: Well, it would be helpful to a community that manufactures babies to have an avenue of
distribution out there. So, if they have people who are part of the community and are married,
they can then adopt the children or they can take them as foster children and raise them in the
community. That would be one way to serve the community.  When you say serve the
community, that's not really true.  What nuns do is serve the Mother Superior . Because in the
end, she's the one who makes all the decisions.

Jerd: At least they serve their community.

Glen: Their community via the word of the Mother Superior.

Jerd: That's the thing about this whole problem. The languaging is really...


Glen: Think of it like a big toilet.  Mother Superior is like Lake Superior.  It holds the water and
flushes when it wants to.

Jerd: Super rio.

Glen: Superman is Mother Superior. Because we know that their perfect slave looks like a woman
on the outside, but is in fact a man hiding on the inside, dominated by a Neanderthaler who is
getting instructions from a computer at head office. It's still basically the will of a Superman, an
Ubermensch, a person in the form of a computer made up from many persons.

Jerd: I  think of Neanderthaler as some guy who knows my deepest secrets, who's just been
watching me my whole life. Watching everything I do, and I've got to be careful with my emotions
because he has control over all of that.

Glen: What you need to grasp is a concept that all of the people you speak to every day of your
life are not different people.  They are all the same person under different guises . That every
question you are asked , is being asked of you by the same person , through a different channel
that it controls. Because there's no such thing as a free person until they grasp how the system
functions.

When they grasp how the system functions, they grasp that concept that everything that comes
to you is coming to you, good or evil, from the same person. The symbolism of the pyramid, you
start with four sides at the bottom and a big ladder up each side diminishing, but in the end, it
goes to one.

Jerd: Interesting, that leads you to what they call the monad in masonry.

Glen: Flip it over and have your pyramid go down instead of up. The whole concept of going up
is basically getting you away from where truth lies, which is down below. Be and owl is the word
below.

Jerd: There’s truth above, we just can't see it.

Glen: When they're talking about above, they're talking about having b uilt a plan benchmarked
by the things you see in space. Planets, the comets, the sun, all of those things are basically their
way of communicating to the initiated where they are on a plan. But in fact, they're causing them
to look up when the power is below.

Jerd: Whenever I see those pictures of the guy pointing up and down, I always think about the
person who's actually doing the pointing up and down. Because he's the media.

Glen: Yeah, he's the one who tells you, look, look, look.  While you're looking, he's dipping into
your back pocket and stealing your wallet.


Jerd: It goes to the one. That whole thing of how we're all one, I used to think it was just a new
age doctrine. Then I learned they were talking about all the female, male parts, everything into
the one.  But there's another reality  in that. They're talking about that singularity in nature.
Because as soon as you start believing that there's a good and a bad or just two or something,
then they can just make you believe there's three and there's four.  That's what they did with
religion because in religion, t hey believe it's all Buddhism.  But really, they're all one.  It's all one
religion and reality.

Glen: Well, you got to think of the singularity basically as a sphere, as a ball. Then a shape charge
goes off , a nd what you have is an expansion that takes place.  An expansion automatically
suggests that the things that you've seen in three dimensions has a fourth dimension. Because
the fourth dimension is how far away you are from the singularity. That relates to the time from
the big explosion; how far you have moved.

Each ring being, say, a second or a minute or an hour or a day or a month or a year, each ring is
suggesting that the basic unit of stuff you're dealing with is the same.  The difference is you are
farther away from the singularity.  Therefore, the diameter of the space you're living in is bigger
and bigger. Until, of course, a decision has to be made by Creation on whether or not to allow
the expansion to continue . In time, if you allow the expansion to continue, you are destroying
everything that's there.

Because in any system which relates to the word stem, as in stem cell, anything that gets further
and further away from the other parts in the system is basically losing its contact, losing its
gravity, losing its attraction . Allowed to continue past a certain point, there is no longer a
system. There are only parts by themselves flying around. If, say, the Earth was far enough from
the Sun that the Sun could have no effect on it, then it dies. It cannot act as an Earth because it
requires water and heat and all of the things that come from being in orbit around the Sun.





So, at that point of transition, which I suggest we're at now, Creation must make a decision. That
decision basically is, okay, everything I put in the singularity has been expanded to its maximum
without destruction taking place. If I allow it to go further, it will destroy itself. Therefore, should
I reverse the process , and with each ring of time passing, begin to decrease the space between
the parts? In the end what will happen is a return to the concept of the singularity through a
process they call the big crunch.

Jerd: That almost sounds like a reverse.

Glen: Well, that's what happens in a fruit tree.  You basically create a tree from a seed.  But the
end product of the tree, is a fruit that brings a new seed that starts the process all over again.

Jerd: What's in that seed, is that instructions?

Glen: It is the seed that was planted in the ground , plus the lessons learned from the time the
seed expanded into a plant, turned into a tree, grew and made leaves and fruit , that made
another seed.  So, the seed that you get from a tree is an improved version.  Now, the word
improved is a little stretched here because if you have, for example, the best corn of all growing
in the world, say, would grow in Iowa , and you take the seeds of corn from Iowa and you bring
them to northern Ontario.

You will plant that seed in the ground and it will not give you the quality that you get in Iowa .
Because the quality of the final product is not solely the product of what was in the seed, but it's
also the product of the environment the seed is now living in.  The environment in northern
Ontario being windier or colder or shorter growing season or what have you , is going to be
different than the one in Iowa.

However, if what you do instead of growing the plant in northern Ontario for the purpose of
eating the corn or whatever, you grow it as a seed farm.  Then you have taken the best of Iowa,
you put it in the ground in northern Ontario, and from what grows, you take the best there is ,
and put them back in the ground.  Those things will give you a second version of growth which
you can take the best of and put back in the ground.

Finally, at one stage of the game, what was a great seed in Iowa becomes a great seed in northern
Ontario adapted to the conditions of northern Ontario.  So, it's a process . In life, it's the same
thing. You have the birth of a child. It lives its life. It dies. If its DNA is reincarnated, reconstituted,
it lives a second time. It receives a different social engineering because it's moved up in time from
where it was the first time and therefore the lessons are different.

Jerd: What would you say the difference is when that's done by Creation or when it's done
artificially by man like Neanderthaler?



The job that Creation was attempting to do is similar in many ways to what creator has done.
That's reincarnating human beings so that they can grow a second or a third time. The difference
is the timing . Everything in the world requires a very specific period of learning  before the
process of dying, putrefying and reconstituting itself, reincarnating itself begins.

What the creator has done is hijacked the process and put things back in motion out of timing.
Even if you ask a comedian what's the most important part in telling a joke, it's always timing. It's
not the words, it's not the deed, it's not the action, but it's the timing that has to be perfect for
it to be funny to other people. Or any other artist can have their art looked upon as useless if it
arrives in a time that is not ready for that art.

So, Creation is the only place that has the schedule, the timing . Therefore, Creation must be
allowed to choose when it is time, say for a hermaphrodite to give birth to genders as opposed
to a clone of itself.  Not somebody else imposing a new schedule because that schedule will
always be out of time . If the root is out of time, then the entire tree is out of time . What if a
tree began to start growing in midwinter instead of spring? The effect of the weather on it would
basically make sure that its life is shortened.

Jerd: Yeah, it's because the soil goes to sleep.

Glen: So, the key word in all of this, Jerd, is timing.

Jerd: So, do you think that computer, the Neanderthaler, what do you think their concept of time
is; how they look at time as opposed to...

Glen: Well, it looks at time on a self-serving schedule.

Jerd: It's like that bunny rabbit in Alice in Wonderland. It's like, oh, I'm late, I'm late guys.  That's
what they were talking about.

Glen: Well, you see, the major controlling interest in North America, is AOL Time Warner. That's
the basic control mechanism. AOL is linked to Polaris.


It's basically telling you the northern star is the period in which they are functioning . Time, is
their time. They give you a clock and a watch and tell you to show up , and all of this, instead of
how nature dealt with things during the time of the original Clan Mothers where you work when
the weather suggested it was the time to work.

You work the hours that the sun suggested you work.  You didn't force yourself to work under
conditions that nature was indicating to you was not right, like it's raining or snowing or freezing
or what have you. All of these things that nature had determined as indications of timing , were
basically thrown aside by somebody who said, I want your product and I want it now, therefore,
here's a watch.  Learn how to work like a robot and produce when I tell you, not when it's the
right time.

There's a story about native people in northern Ontario who were hired to build the railroad for
supervisors who were Caucasian. Five o'clock would come and the bosses would say, okay, time
for everybody to go home. The native people would look at each other and say, what's he talking
about? It's not going to be dark for another hour. They went by nature's time, not some artificial
time.

Jerd: That's why they call themselves the masters of time.


Jerd: After analyzing all this stuff, before I didn't believe in destiny, now I believe in destiny ,
because t hey create th is total artificial environment.  It's like the fates, they can just control
everybody's destiny.

Glen: And you're all out of step. The whole world is out of step. You keep running into each other
and that's where you get wars and famines and pestilence and disease, because everything's out
of step. Creation made a self-cleansing planet we call Earth . On that planet are human bodies,
all made to be self -cleansing, self -fixing. However, they can't be self -cleansing or self -fixing if
they're working to the rules of a medical industry who wants to sell pills.

Jerd: Were there diseases, you think at one time, was it natural?

Glen: Whatever illnesses came, there were natural solutions to it , and it wouldn't basically
become pandemic and passed on from one person to the other. It would be repaired basically on
the spot. But because we're now like seeds , that are being sent to a place where they weren't
supposed to be, we develop these diseases that become recessive within our own genetics and
we pass it on to our descendants.

Jerd: When I look at people who have a lot of these diseases, I think what people are missing is
that it's actually not that you're getting them from your environment.  Maybe the environment
plays a role in setting off something inside yourself.  I think it's more linked to genetics.  It’s all
instructions.

Glen: Think of it, there's symbolisms out there.  In our world, they want us to get married.  Yet,
they know that two individuals living with a nail in one foot each, nailing each other together,
are in a period of time, going to be less than happy with the relationship. They'd want to expand
the relationship, but the rules of marriage will say, no, you can't.  Yet, when they want a
relationship, they call it elections. They allow you to throw out half the people that are there
and replace them with the other half every four or five years.

Because they know the rules and they are using it to their advantage, but using the same rules,
they reverse them when it comes to their individual slaves , so that each of the slaves feel
trapped. Whereas, when you're in a democracy, you don't feel trapped, although you are
anyways, because they rig both sides . But you don't feel it, and therefore , you feel you have
freedom that you can throw the bums out.

Jerd: It's like a Houdini trick. I remember reading about basic propaganda, like what the
government will do and say, we want to know what you feel about this law we want to pass and
get people's take on it.

Glen: What they’re doing is the lemming.

Jerd: They're just making you feel like you're involved, but they were going to do what they were
going to do in the first place.


Glen: Exactly. What they want to do when they're asking you questions is tell you, if you don't
agree with us, you're out of step. Then they present the news in a way that makes you feel like
the odd man out, if you think the way you do. But they control the information, so maybe 90%
of the people out there are thinking like you, but the media is presenting them, the other 10%,
as being everybody.

When they have a discussion on where do we come from, they put two people. One says, I believe
that Creation is where we come from, and the other one says, I believe evolution is where we
come from. But they don't put the third party on there that says, we were created by Creation,
hijacked by creator, and now we're all robots . We're all genetically modified and engineered
seed that are the property of somebody who taxes us, not for our benefit, but for theirs. That's
why the IRS is the same word as the word theirs.

Jerd: The IRS lives with me, man.  It's in my neck. Now I see what it does.  A week ago, I just had
this overwhelming feeling of depression out of nowhere.

Glen: That's your medulla talking.

Jerd: Yeah, man.  I'm just like, damn.  When somebody actually knows they have a control
mechanism in their neck, does it function differently?

Glen: Yeah, once you know, you know what you can do to break its cycle. You cannot break the
cycle in an enclosed room . That's why jails exist.  It's to close your space.  That's why cloistered
monasteries exist. It's to limit your movement. So, the key is to work the opposite. When you're
feeling that way, that's when you've got to run out.  Get to the bigger spaces. Get to the places
where there are no boundaries.  Whether in a city that's a park or getting out to the country or
to a farm area or the mountains or the sea. Although the sea is a trick because the sea puts you
in a cloistered place in a big place.

Jerd: Haha, a boat.

Glen: You’re in a boat. Your cell is the boat. That's why the captain has so much power because
you can't run away. You can't quit and say, let me off.

Jerd: It's a great feeling I get , once I step into the woods and it's no cell phones, no houses, no
people. It's just me and nature. Me and Creation right there, I'm seeing it happen.

Glen: You find a patch of grass and a big tree and sit down, lean up against the tree, smell it, feel
the wind on your face. All these things are all things that defeat their control mechanisms. What
I do, as we don't have a lake on the farm, but I put up five different tubs, big tubs outside. When
I start to feel that my medulla is starting to create an environment of control and depression will
follow, I basically go out and jump in the water.


Right over my head, preferably enough to shock my body a little bit.  It's usually colder than the
outside around me. That kind of sends them back into their den, wherever they live in my neck.
Then I can sit down in a field or something, and it kind of goes away.

Jerd: I think a big solution to this problem is people could just start pointing fingers at nunneries
and it'll just fade out, this piggy in the neck, over time, because they keep reintroducing it.

Glen: The more you are stuck in a city environment, you are a city zen. You are a thinker based
upon rules, as opposed to a thinker based upon reality.

Jerd: I was talking to somebody and they said, are you really an original thinker?  Then they
started bringing up things like, positivism and all of these isms.

Glen: Positive thinking has a place after you get rid of the negative. But you got to get rid of the
negative first in order to allow the positive to take place.

Jerd: So, we are city zens if we are living in the city. I was looking at a word in Zoroastrianism and
they call it the Zen-da-vesta. It's like their bible or whatever.

Glen: It's your vest.

Jerd: The vest is the purity, it’s the vestal virgins.

Glen: You’re walking around in a girdle.  That's what a vest is, is basically to keep everything put
together inside. So, let go of your vest. Get outside and live a little.

Jerd: Do you believe that there are any women with some original DNA?

Glen: I don't think there is any human being left anywhere close to civilization.  Whether or not
there are men or women who have retained their original Creation is impossible from this place
to see. You would have to, first of all, find such survivors, obviously in a jungle or someplace far
away from civilization. Then live with them for a while so that you can tell by their actions rather
than their words, whether or not, they are totally escaped from the rules of civilization.

The word escape is wrong because it would suggest that they were, at one time, part of the rules.
But if they've been able to maneuver throughout historical times so that they have never been
affected by civilization, that would be an interesting thing to record, to watch, and observe,
analyze, and conclude.

Jerd: Well, I've heard of people who have done that, but as soon as you see a religious type of
thing, you know they've been affected.

Glen: It's one of the fundamental control mechanisms put forward by the SY-STEM.


Jerd: People actually think that naturally we’re supposed to be religious, like it’s natural to
worship or something. I think that's how people are fooled by thinking that.

Glen: The word that would explain what you want to say, they didn't invent. That's why it's so
difficult for us to communicate, because we have to communicate with the words they
invented. They gave the meaning to it , so anytime we speak them, it's their meaning that
counts, not ours.


Jerd: Yeah, that's the thing.  Lately I've been having this problem with certain things because I
can't...

Glen: You can't verbalize.

Jerd: Yeah. I feel tied down.  Maybe I just need to learn more languages.  Maybe I'll have a little
bit more freedom that way.

Glen: Well, no, you'd probably have less. What you have to do is learn to speak to yourself, first
of all, through imagery in your mind without attaching words to that imagery. Just visualize the
things that you want.  Then you will be able to begin the process of communicating between
individuals either directly or through an intermediary, such as the cat provides a local area
network. You will be able to communicate your will to another person who is communicating to
you, their will. That way, the words don't get in the way. The words are the problem.

Jerd: When you think about it, a pure …uncorrupted thought...I don't know what word to use to
explain it. A pure electric current in your neurons; that shouldn't be any word attached to that. It
should be just like...haha, I can't even find a word, man.

Glen: One of the things that I went through over my aging process, was in the original days of the
Hebrew language, the people were given the equivalent of consonants, but no vowels. Therefore,
only the teachers, the rabbis, retained the ability to communicate because they had the vowels
they could insert.


We have the same problem in any language today. We are communicating with their consonants
and vowels, but we don't have the true meaning within that framework of what our will is ,
without using their words, which basically mirror our will and convert it to their will so that they
get what they're looking for and all we do is chatter.

Jerd: Exactly, that's what I hear when people say things. From my perspective, when I hear people
talking, it's just somebody else's will.

Glen: The word chatter, by the way, comes from the word chat or cat in French. What it's basically
saying is that, like I said before, cats provide a local area network.  They are basically simply a
transmission and receiving process , but they are not originators of the information.  So, you're
just passing their will from one person to the other.

Jerd: So, we’re just phones. It's like with telephones.

Glen: Even the telephone, we laugh about what it does, but they control it to the point that when
they don't want you to hear the other side, they bring in noises and crackle and break up the
sound so that you can't even communicate if you're trying to communicate your will as opposed
to theirs.

Jerd: I see that happen numerous times. Me talking to you, they just hang up on us.

That word you mentioned, chatter, I've been noticing this in a lot of words, those letters, R-E-T. I
looked it up. It's linked to genetics.

Glen: Second version of communication. The T is like a big telephone pole . R-E means second
time around.

Jerd: And T is transmission.

Glen: So, you're just passing stuff that's not yours that you got from someplace and pass on.
That's why they give you all the chat rooms you want on the net.

Jerd: They're really clever. They say, oh, here, look at all these choices. But it's all one.


Glen: Look at what we're talking on now in Ontario here.  The company is called Bell Canada .
Well, if a person got peeved at Bell Canada and said, I'm going to use a different approach, then
what's the option? You say, I'm not going to use Bell Canada for my e -net, I'll call Shaw Direct.
They spell it S-H-A-W. But that doesn't count. What counts is the phonetics. It's Shaw or it's Bell,
and that means it's the same thing. They're just a middle man.

Jerd: It's like with the races. You got Black, White, Asian. They're all the same, really, underneath.
But they did that to confuse.

Glen: Absolutely. Underneath, the only difference is how far away from the equator we lived for
thousands of years. The ones who live closer to the equator, their pigmentation got darker.  The
ones who were moved away from the equator, their pigmentation gets lighter. Genetically, you
can induce this to happen faster, but it's a normal process. You're just making it go faster.

Jerd: And that's the whole thing with their timing.

Glen: That's what they did.  Their timing is off . Everything that follows is off, and therefore,
nothing can succeed. Well, we have arrived at that point of decision.  I put it to you that we are
at that point of transition where Creation is saying, okay, what do I do?  Do I shut it down?  By
shutting it down, it's the contrary to what we've been taught to believe. Shutting it down means
returning it to a singularity, going back down to the original shape of the seed.  Whereas, do I
abandon it? By abandoning it, it means let it expand as long as it can, but it's not going to be able
to do it beyond a certain period of time.

Jerd: Say, Creation want ed to destroy everything, wouldn't it come back tougher than it did
before?

Glen: When Creation allows it to return to seed, to its original singularity, it will have gained all
of the experience of having lived again in a totally different social environment.  Therefore, the
next time it is launched again with another big bang, it will be that much tougher. But if it closes
the experiment down and says, this one went astray, it got hijacked, so we just let it run its time.

Jerd: What a shame.

Glen: But the idiots who are running it are basically saying, we can fix it by destroying it.  So,
they're not even going to let it run its time. They basically want to induce the end of time.

Jerd: They can't see that um...[Ma Bell tampered with the call] Hello, you hear me?

Glen: Yeah, now I hear you.

Jerd: I guess that was Ma Bell doing it. hehe



Glen: Yeah, you disappeared there.  When you said, can't they see?  [inaudible]…last word. No,
but they can hear. Hehe

Jerd: Don't they understand, there's a natural way of things.  I don't want to say law, because
that's what they always say. I guess it's like a law…

Glen: You don't have the words, so don't worry about it.

Jerd: It's the way things flow, and they're basically making things out of whack.  Don't they see
that? All their years of experimentation and observation.

Glen: They are run by a computer, and a computer runs on the concept of what it has been
taught is true . Therefore, nobody has gone back to the original program and said, there's a
problem here.  Everything we've put in since is skewed because there was a problem at the
beginning.

Jerd: But that's common sense though. Look at computers that are made. They've gone back and
said, oh well, the original program of this computer was a little off, so we updated it. They do that
and...

Glen: That's the problem they have now in that concept of the Big Bang.  They've decided to go
back and look, and then they discovered that in the first split second, something happened that
they hadn't taken into consideration.  That gravity wasn't what it is today . Therefore, they are
now all confused because everything that they believe can be wrong if they don't grasp what
happened in the actual first period in time.

Jerd: Here's a question, because humanity, or just life, we've gained enough knowledge now to
go into outer space and explore other things.  Doesn't that mean once we have that knowledge
that we don't just belong on Earth anymore?

Glen: Why is it, though, Jerd, if we've gained all of this knowledge, that when we go to school,
they teach us three dimensions, but they don't teach us beyond three dimensions.  If there's a
fourth dimension, there's a fifth , and if there's a fifth, there's a sixth.  Why are we being limited
in the knowledge?

It's because they want to limit our ability to reason . What we don't have, going along with our
intelligence, is the concept that reason alone does not give you the answer . That you must
access your intuition, which basically was built upon the ancient truths of the past.

Jerd:  I'm concluding now, Glen, that right now, at the point I'm at right now in my life, I need to
like activate my spine or something.



Glen: It's a process that you cannot do in the environment in which you're living. Any more than
I could do it in the environment I was living in.  If I was on a roller coaster type lifestyle, looking
for money and love in all the wrong places, I had to stop and get off.  Then say, okay, wipe the
slate clean and don't live that life of the robot that they talk about in the story of Luke chapter
2, verses 40 to 45.

That you're not going to be about your father's business from now on . You're getting off their
train. You're not going to be on track.  You're not going to be trained . So, you get off and you
start living a life based upon reacquiring the knowledge of the past. You do that beginning with
smell, sight, taste, hearing. You best do that where you're not being pulled away every minute.
If you can keep a balance between spending most of your time in a natural environment and
keeping a big toe dipped in civilization, so that you know basically the direction in which they're
going today.

Because it's going to have an impact on you whether you know it or not . So, you may as well
know where they're going, but you don't want to be living their lifestyle. You just want to know
where they're at. All of a sudden , in a period of time, for me I would imagine it took five or six
years on the farm to really become conversant with the real nature . Then you start conversing
in the concept that I mentioned before, of pictures rather than letters and words.

Jerd: It seems like from watching the DVDs, it seems like you just cut yourself off from people for
a little while and then came back.

Glen: I was never far away, because in the period of my search, I was in fact doing public speaking.
But the topic of my public speaking was the things people knew about, politics, business,
corruption, all of that stuff. As soon as I started speaking the things I had learned, the audience
started to get smaller and smaller. So, it wasn't as much me leaving them as they left me. At first,
I thought that was a problem, and then I realized that it was a gift.

Jerd: Yeah, it was a filter.

Glen: It left me behind with those people whose brains still functioned, being the only ones,  I
could converse with.  Therefore, it clarified the concept that number one, no individual can be
perfect, but a group of individuals can put back perfection in humanity . The question became,
what percentage of perfection can an individual have, and therefore how many individuals does
it require?


Jerd: This concept you learned from the Cell, or you learned it on your own?

Glen: From everything I knew, and everybody I had dealt with. There was no single place, and it
included conversations with people like the Cell, and conversations with people who could still
understand what I was saying. Plus, the conversations that I was having with nature and with my
own cells that were basically dormant in me.

Everybody's got-- the majority of them is not involved.  They are functioning on something like
3% of their entire knowledge.  It's a matter of digging deeper and deeper to get that ancient
history to come forward , and to turn what is a recessive knowledge or dormant knowledge ,
into an active knowledge.

Jerd: You helped me out tonight, because for the past month now, since I talked to you, I felt like
when I was learning I was observing differently, analyzing differently. And I felt like I was growing,
I was just evolving and learning.

Glen: Well, in the same way you do that for me, because what you are is a memory for me of
where I was. Knowing that it's possible not to overstand, but that not being final, that through a
journey you can get to the place where you overstand . I'm still working at it, because I believe
there's a lot of things that I will in fact learn before I leave this place. Unless of course, either side
decides that they've had me too long.

Jerd: I felt like I was growing, but since a month now , I felt like I came to a halt.  Then you made
me realize that maybe it's just my environment.

Glen: It happens. It's like these rings in fourth dimension that I talk about.  That if you start with
a singularity, a minute later the ring is bigger. A minute after that it's bigger still. So, at one stage
of the game, you kind of say, oops, I don't grasp this bigger ring, and you stop and you learn how
to move to the next ring. Then rings become minutes and hours and days and weeks and months
and years. So, depending on how fine you want to look at the detail, you're basically growing
exponentially on all sides simultaneously.

So, you're shaping yourself like the barrel where it's expanding and expanding. Then at one stage
of the game you will arrive as the universe we live in has arrived, I suggest, where you're at the
center of the barrel.

In order for the barrel to be useful , it has to then start the reverse operation and compress. So
that at the end , you will have what you had been launched with , plus everything you learned
while you were expanding, and everything you learned while you were contracting. Getting from
youth to old age, and at the end your seed will be useful for planting into the next dimension.

Jerd: So, what symbol do you think is the best to explain that? Would it be the double helix that
best to explain that?


Glen: The double helix is important because it basically shows the symbol.  Get yourself an
encyclopedia and look for time is the fourth dimension. If it's a good encyclopedia they'll have a
diagram that looks like a barrel lying on its side.

You can think of the big bang at the right-hand side and the big crunch at the left-hand side. The
transition point is in the middle, where the rings are the longest radius or diameter , and then it
starts to collapse into the other side which would be the big crunch. That to me is the best way
to visualize what we're talking about.

Jerd: The black hole, what is that? I've heard that it sucks in everything, even light. You can't even
see in there.

Glen: Black hole is like a bathtub. It'll take whatever it can until it's full and then it'll return it by
spilling over the edges. Even black holes return light. All of these things are basically too technical
for my mind. I look around and I say, do I need the minutia of detail , or should I be looking for
the bigger picture? A premise at one end and a reasoned thing at the other end.

Jerd: That's what I look for.  I look for the bigger picture.  But I've come to realize by talking to
people that not everybody's mind works  like that Some people's minds may work more
technically.

Glen: That's why we have different jobs in the world.  The engineer is the guy or girl who makes
things happen that have been thought out by a thinker, whether it be an architect or an artist or
whatever. The thinker sees the bigger picture.  The engineer sees the minutia and can put it
together. Neither one of them even thinks for a minute that part of the process is the garbage
picker.


If you didn't pick up the garbage at an engineer's place or at an architect's place, the whole thing
would collapse. In our world, the ants are the most important of all living things because they
pick up after the messes we make.

Jerd: You pick up garbage when you sculpt and you pick out garbage that the system puts in.
That's what the system does. It seems to make a lot of garbage around things.

Glen: It makes always, everything because what you do is more trial and error . So, t he errors
have to be cleansed after.  Cleaning the garbage is an important task.  And where you put that
garbage.

Jerd: Those ants too , I noticed just from looking at them, you can learn a lot.  If you do things
daily, you start off...

Glen: Much more important to the survival of a planet is the ant, than the person who lives there.

Jerd: It's interesting, these things.

Glen: Because w hat you're basically doing is grinding everything down and putting it back into
the pot to start the process of recombination again.  It's much better to have different and new
approaches to things than to live with old concepts that don't function.

Jerd: I heard something the other day.  It rung true with me.  It said that the reason why when
people die, they're reborn again, they're not allowed to remember certain things….

Glen: Always remember, Jerd, that there are two versions.  There's Creation's version and
creator's version . It's not the activity that creator does that is wrong.  It's its timing . So, both
approaches are doing the same job.  One is within the context of the proper timing , and the
other one is out of step.

Jerd: It's benefiting a minority, rather than benefiting the whole.

Glen: Absolutely. You got it.

Jerd: What this person said , is that people are not allowed to remember certain things when
they're reborn is so you can retain your individuality.

Glen: I agree that you don't have the memory on the day you're reborn. I disagree that you can't
get it back.

Jerd: I mean like remembering what your name was.

Glen: Because [inaudible] my life I remember. Not everything yet.


Jerd: I don't think you can remember your name.

Glen: No, that's not important.

Jerd: I guess that's why you don't remember.

Glen: You basically remember life almost as what's the biggest problem of the day and how do
we move to the next level.  When you're like me , and you think of yourself as you were
manufactured as a servant of the Neanderthaler.  That's what Cro -Magnon was. And you were
doing their bidding. You have that knowledge that you have been used as a robot for 42,000 years
or so. Now that you recall much of this information, how do you turn that into knowledge? From
that knowledge, how do you extract wisdom?

Jerd: Well, the wisdom I've noticed from my experiences  were from pain and suffering and trial
and error.

Glen: That's what being out of time causes.  What you're looking at is the exact end result of
things being done out of time. Out of its proper timing.

Jerd: Like maybe we weren't ready to be different genders.

Glen: We weren't ready to be genders when creator decided to make it happe n, and that was
the beginning of the problem.  So, if you're looking for the root cause of the place in time when
we went off kilter, you would have to be looking at a time around 80,000 B.C. So about 82,000
years ago. That's a long time. Think of it as an angle starting from a point and how far you get off
from the line in 82,000 years.

Jerd: They took the wrong...

Glen: They zigged when they should have zagged.  You've got to have better direction than that
to fly in space and arrive at the moon, when the moon is at the right place when you're traveling
in space. But for us, that's what has happened.

Jerd: These Neanderthalers, I understand that they have a totally different thinking process than
what we do. Because they trained us in a lower type of thinking process.  I guess they still retain
the original thinking process.  Plus, their thinking process, how they are , is idiot savant is totally
different. Is that something that was learned, I guess? Compassion?

Glen: The point to remember, Jerd, is that they are irrelevant to the bigger picture. So now that
we are at the point of transition, Creation has it in its power to nudge us in the right direction.
That's what we have to be working towards. Not that Creation basically has a war and fights with
creator, as they talk about Ragnarök in Norse mythology or end of the world stuff.  That's all
creator bullshit.


What we have to think about and visualize eventually as a critical mass , putting together the
pieces of perfection in human beings together on the same project , what we have to visualize
is at this point of transition, can the control mechanism be taken back by Creation? Adjusted,
nudged, so that it's placed back upon the road it would have taken, had it not been thrown off
kilter. You have to remember that 82,000 years is a long time, but not a long time in the context
of 15 billion years or whatever, that this earth has been here. So, a little nudge, a little push; not
allowing creator to move into its final stages of induced destruction.

Jerd: You said when Creation gets involved, what people's idea of it helping may not be...

Glen: We don't have the right words to speak what needs to be spoken.  So, when we say when
Creation gets involved, we're only speaking from the point of view of communications within
our own languages. We're not defining what Creation will do, any more than we're defining how
Creation takes back the DNA of the people who went through the experience of observing,
analyzing, and concluding and arrived at the right conclusion.  And merged back into Creation,
singularity, whole, whatever you want to call it.

Remembering with Creation is not done through the same process as creator uses, which is to
take our DNA and play with it in a laboratory , genetically. Or allowing it to go down to the main
kitchen and be recombined. Creation doesn't deal with that process. It's above and beyond that,
and we don't have the words to describe what is going on outside of that fourth dimension that
we are limited in some capacity to visualize. But in the fifth and sixth dimensions beyond that,
there would be a much clearer way of defining what needs to be done. That's why I suggest that
no words be used.

Jerd: It would be like telepathic.

Glen: You have to kind of know what it is you want to say, and visualize it without using words.

Jerd: The only way we can get past that third dimension is only with ourselves in the [inaudible]
It's not with each other.

Glen: No. Creation must be the decider, and we are the communications of a thought that says,
this experiment you began did not fail completely. There is a seed bank left that basically justifies
the decision of a little tweak, whatever that means in that dimension.

Jerd: It's almost like you say this…because I've heard it said in masonry, well, they describe it as
the world or universal mind, or like it's Creation…like this part of a wholeness.

Glen: What they are pushing is the concept called one . We're not talking about one . We're
talking about together we remember.

Jerd: Okay.


Glen: It's never a single thing. It is a remembrance of a whole made up of its many parts.

Jerd: Have you ever heard that other thing that says, it's a many within the one?

Glen: I never heard it, but I'll accept it.  The singularity is a symbol based upon the languaging
that we have in this dimension.  The reality is that the universe is something that was, is, and
will be, and is not a thing. It's not a one. It's a passage from one state to another.

Jerd: Oh, that's a continual eternal passage from one state to another.

Glen: It never had no beginning and will never have an end.  Whereas the concept we're talking
about of eternity and this third to fourth dimension is not it.

Jerd: I've heard also, it's not alive, but it's not dead.

Glen: There is, unfortunately for us, fortunately for our controllers, they didn't give us words to
describe clearly between each other what we are meaning, and it must be inferred rather than
spoken.

Jerd: So, you're saying it can be felt?

Glen: Felt is part of it.  All of the senses are part of it . The realization that communications
between different animals does not require a language. Whales don't require a language to speak
among each other , they require sounds.  It's something the same way.  We require knowledge
that there is a wavelength type of thing that will communicate our images to another individual
person via the communications network, which I call the cat mobile. The ability of hair to sense
the air and then pass on the informati on to another recipient . That concept is much clearer
expanded by someone who would know more than I do, because I speak basically from a, not
novice, but journeyman learning along the way.

Jerd: I have a feeling that's what Etidorpha hinted at. They have people who are specializing in
this type of thing, who just study the higher sciences, as they call it.

Glen: No one would basically know everything.  Everyone can know either a minutiae detail , in
detail, or a bigger picture with no real getting stuck in the detail.  It's only when you put all the
pieces together, the architect and the engineer, down to the person who's going to pick up the
scrap on the work site. All of them have a role to play.

None is superior to the other , and therefore none should be compensated differently from the
other. There is no reason why a person who is responsible for keeping the workshop clean to be
living on a compensation package, which is a tiny fraction , of what the architect or the banker
makes. The primary consideration should be that all tasks are equal.



Jerd: You could even say that all tasks are important.

Glen: Well, they are important, but they are also equal because if one doesn't get done, the other
one can't do theirs.  Ants and bees live in the same world.  One is generating infrastructure and
food, while the other one is picking up. But no one can ever convince anybody in nature that an
ant is inferior to a bee ; they are equals . Nature, or Creation provides for each of their survival
and the exploitation of each of their skills.

Jerd: I look at stuff like that in nature.  I think it's amazing how say, a dead animal is lying in the
ground and over time , it seems like out of nowhere you're seeing maggots decomposing  it and
other forms of life taking it.  These little things that I find that people pass over, I think lead to
bigger answers.

Glen: When they're done, you look at the spot where the thing died, whatever it was, and you'll
see the shade of the grass has changed in its color . It's more alive than it was , or is , the
surrounding area. It's a really live looking space in the grass where something had died. One other
thing that I noticed , is that if you take the thing that died , and you bury it somewhere else, the
spot where it died still shows the color change.

Because obviously at the moment of death, something was released. But if you look at the place
where you put it, at the place where you buried it, at a time much later, usually about two or
three months later, the same thing happens. So, it's telling me that the release is not complete
at the time of death.

Jerd: This is something I'm trying to understand. When they bury people, they're actually messing
with this process, because they're just keeping it all contained in the coffins.

Glen: Well, that's basically what confirms the fact that a mummy can be used because life still
exists in the dead person if you have the knowledge of how to jumpstart it again , and that it
always exists in the concept of DNA. If you find the block , which is DNA, and you can add the
key which will jumpstart this DNA, you can recreate that life again because it has all of the
information needed to do that job over and over again. That's the beauty of Creation.

Jerd: When I look at nature Glen, I look at things like electricity. What is it really? Look at it in its
basic component form. What is it really? We just call it electricity but that’s something to cover
ignorance, I think. It's just another control mechanism to call it that.

Glen: Electricity, like chemistry, is a fluid that allows energy to pass from one place to another. A
lot of people in the world of aluminum , say that aluminum is hardened electricity , or electricity
is liquid aluminum. It can flow. The same thing as the Moho discontinuity is made up of something
hard, basalt, which is solid. But it can be melted and sent to another place as lava.

Jerd: Water does the same thing too.


Glen: Water can turn to ice and to steam.

Jerd: So that's a principle in all these different forms of energy.

Glen: Yeah, and we're no different. So, not to worry that creator having hijacked the world has
the last word.  The important thing and the strength one gets when one is a thinker , and a
philosopher, if he's a thinker who communicates, the joy that one gets is the certainty of
knowledge that Creation will make the final decision, not creator.

In that final decision, the people whose brains still function will, no matter what the outcome
is for the whole, be exempted from that outcome. They will remember with Creation and move
to the next step.

Jerd: Do you think that’s where they got the concept in religion , that they'll be saved  and
remembered in the kingdom of god?

Glen: They got that concept from watching Creation work.

Jerd: Yeah, and then they try to make their own version of it.

Glen: Yeah. The story of you live in heaven, you die, and you go to purgatory or hell, and if you
go to purgatory, you go back to heaven and then start all over again or whatever.  Certainly,
heaven couldn't be sitting there doing nothing. So, all of that concept they took from looking at
Creation's universe, at Creation's world; the fact that we decompose, go down past the moho
discontinuity.


Some stays there, some continues the journey right through what seems to be impenetrable
space, and returns to the oven of the core of the earth, the kitchen, and recombines and gets
sent up again past that mantle , and starts the journey over again as something else.  All of that
story of life came to our controllers from visualizing the world around them.

In the end, the distance between the orbiting things in the universe is what Creation is looking
at. Because one thing has to have an impact on another for things to do more than they can do
by themselves.

Jerd: Our controllers, when I look at them, they were socially engineered totally different.  It
seems like they don't have the ability, unless it's something that's taught to us, of compassion.

Glen: Well, it comes back down to how does all of this begin, Jerd? If a person in their youth feels
unappreciated, whether reasoned or unreasoned, it's the end product that's important.  If they
feel unappreciated, unloved, disrespected for who they are, they begin to lose self-respect. Once
a person loses respect in themselves, they are no longer dominated in their actions by reasoning.
They are dominated in their actions by a need to get even.

Jerd: They didn't feel like this before contact with Clan Mother, right?

Glen: Not that we know of.  Some may have felt that whatever process they went in, cryogenic
process, was unfair to them. But I don't think that that would be a reasoned thought, since they
were basically working their way to being geniuses in the thought processes, they were in.  It's
most likely that it happened as a result of the dividing of the genders.  That threw everything off
the timing, and from that point on...

Jerd: In a way, they did it to themselves, like how they are.

Glen: Don't we always. First lesson learned in the bush. When you're tugging at a branch and you
can't seem to get it to move, follow the branch down and you'll see you're stepping on the other
end. Get off of it and then pull. You'll see how easy it is to move.

Jerd: I get this impression  of jealousy. I thought their thinking was totally different.  How could
they even express that?

Glen: Once you're angry, and once you don't feel any love for yourself, you do things that are not
right.

Jerd: When you look at the different animals that you have on your farm, they express almost...
They're not engineered the same way as we are, obviously, but they express anger, right?

Glen: Absolutely. The difference is most animals don't carry grudges.



Jerd: That's what it is. The higher the reasoning, the longer the grudges carried. So, it's a gift and
a curse, having reason. It's... what do they call it? That's the fruit that they talk about.

Glen: The reasoning is the end product of man.  The reasoning without access to its past, its
intuitive knowledge, is the curse . Put the two things back together again, and you start down
a new path.

Jerd: I look at Creation, the way I look at a female that I always got to come back to.

Glen: We were all part of female in the beginning.

Jerd: That's why it's the perfect analogy.

Glen: We will fix the problem, or this approach to a universe will fail. But those who have learned
never have to worry . They don't need the permission of anyone else in order to make the
journey and remember with Creation. It's only the fact that they have learned and tested and
analyzed and concluded, this information into knowledge and eventually into wisdom, refined at
each place. Once they have achieved that, without anybody else's permission, Creation absorbs
them back.

So don't worry about what other people are saying or doing.  That's their problem, not yours.
Love yourself first. Begin on the journey of understanding, that because other things are different
from you, that doesn't make them wrong. Although some things that are out there, even maybe
the majority, are wrong, that's not your problem.  Your problem is to learn who you were, who
you are, and who you will be. It's left up to you. The decisions are yours. The choices are yours,
not theirs. Anyways, bedtime has come and gone.

Jerd: Okay, Glen.

Glen: Talk to you again, Jerd.

Jerd: Alright.

Glen: Good night.