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The Winds of Change - Nov 20, 2009


Glen: Hello?

Danea: Hello, Glen?

Glen: Yeah.

Danea: Hey, it's Danea, or Danny boy.

Glen: How's it going?

Danea: Not so bad, not so bad. How about yourself?

Glen: Pretty good. Pretty good.

Danea: That's good to hear.

Glen: I thought you were calling to say that you had bought a bag of chicken feed or something.

Danea: Yeah, that's coming, trust me, it's coming. I'm moving into a new apartment next week,
so I've been kind of stuck doing that as far as my money. But I actually pulled the receipt out today
and it's on my little coffee table as a reminder.

Glen: You can trade it in for a month of playing music out in the field.

Danea: My arms might get tired, but okay, I'll try.  I didn't forget about you.  I was actually even
talking about that today before I called you.  I have to do that.  It’s for the chickens, not for you,
though. Just for the chicken, especially since it’s starting to get cold…

Glen: That guy called from Boston yesterday and we were on the phone for almost two hours ,
and a t the end, just before I hung up, I said,  we all work for chicken feed here.  So, if you're
planning on a couple of hours on the telephone with me, you might consider sending $20 to buy
a bag of chicken feed. Chicken feed?! You all work for chicken feed?!

Danea: You are nuts, haha.

Glen: You gotta put it in context here. You got these chickens that have to be fed, hehe.

Danea: You know, the old farm thing.  I still got to do that,  I've got to send you your pictures.
There's a list of things I have to do.


Glen: Ambika told me she saw a picture that you put on the net or something about the clouds,
this full model pictures in the clouds or something.

Danea: Yeah, I'm just curious to see if people can even see that  to tell you the truth . Because I
saw about two or three different- I saw an eagle blowing, it was probably central Canada. There's
a face of an eagle, like a bald eagle, I'd say, and  then there was another face right above. Maybe
it could be a play on you.  It was like another face that kind of, if you were a cloud maybe.  Right
above where your house is a little bit.  I actually saved the picture, so I'll try to maybe send it to
you. You can open the link up or something.  I was like, I wonder what that means. That was last
night around maybe 1 or 2 a.m. or this morning. Oh, you're in a movie.

Glen: I am?

Danea: Yeah, you're in 2012. You're in there. You're played by Woody Harrelson. I don’t know if
you know him.

Glen: It wouldn't surprise me because when I had the site going on a regular basis, every time
I went to check the tracker, there were three or four different companies that we basically
tracked to being Hollywood script writing places.

Danea: But I mean, he even looks like you, he's got the long hair. Actually, he looks like how when
I was up there, when you have that headband type of thing. He's got that same hair and the same
beard. I mean, he lives in a trailer , and he knows. He's got maps and stuff ; check out my maps.
Then everyone thinks he's crazy, but the crazy guy is the one with the answers at the end.
Everyone's trying to find him to find out where to go when all this shit's going down

Everyone's like, he's crazy, but he knows where to go. They're taking planes over to see this guy
while the rest of the novas are happening.  So, they're in a plane , they're trying to land on this
stuff just to meet this guy to find out where to go. Then there he is looking just like you. I was like,
wow.

Glen: I don't think there are too many farms in Canada that get visits from AWACS planes.

Danea: All those coincidences, huh?

Glen: Anyways, I hope they got the script right.


Danea: Hehe. Oh, an interesting part towards the end, they're saying that the government was
building spaceships or something. They're hinting at spaceships to take them off the planet when
all this cataclysm starts taking place. Then they were like, no, no, they're just ships for when the
waters come in. Then one of the kids asked, (they always have a kid ask because they're always
curious) how come these ships don't have anchors?  He says, oh, they're not ships , they're arks.
So that's how they were planning on surviving. The water comes in  they just build these massive
arks to take the brunt over in Tibet.

Glen: The ships are there for their trials.

Danea: Yeah, I remember you saying that. Yeah, they have all the government central and all the
ships. Each country had their own ship, and a seat on that ship was several billion dollars just for
a seat. You know, you get a room because you live there for the rest of the...

Glen: 10,000 years.

Danea: Yeah, wow. Everyone's sitting there in the movie  saying, I don't think it was such a great
story, they couldn’t do that etc. I'm hearing all this cra p, and thinking, y ou guys have no idea ,
we're watching two different movies right now.

Glen: Yeah. Different theaters, or they're walking by on the sidewalk, and at least we're sitting
in the audience section of the theater. We're not in the play yet, heh

Danea: So, on your side, any new occurrences or updates from the last time we spoke?

Glen: What the Cell and I have been doing for the last few weeks is, they are in fact, preparing
to make a presentation in court about sensory communications . So, in order to get the basic
material- and it goes back to the time when DNA was unknown by juries and unknown by judges,
and they accepted the fact that blood was a reasonable thing to present as evidence.  The first
time they came up with DNA, nobody wanted it presented in court as evidence.  There was no
proof of anything, type of thing.

So, t hey had to make cases where they would present the evidence until they were able to
educate the judges and jurors. This is something the same. There is a double system of listening
in on other people's conversations in an open field ; it can be electronic or it can be sensory .
Electronic people accept today that it's possible to have devices that can hear people talk from
a distance, but there's no data on sensory type of communication.

So, what they're doing is they set up two separate places, one with electronic devices, one with
sensory communications capabilities, and I get to choose a third place to go, usually done at
night. The first time was from about 8 o'clock in the evening until 4 o'clock in the morning.  I
pick a topic and every hour I either speak it out loud or read it silently, and the idea is I must be
in a place where there are at least three cats. They must be in places where they have at least
three people, each one of them basically witnessing the other two.


At the end, there's a cross -checking about if the sensory people got the same message as the
electronic people, and in the end, who is the closest to what I was doing . So, we had the first
session, and then last week we tried a second session, but there was a delay. Some of the people
who were to be within the two groups of three got delayed and didn't show up on time.  So, we
basically cut it short at 10 o'clock and scrapped that attempt, and we're going to try again
sometime in the next few days or so.

But we have to do it four times over the next month or so, so that they have four
communications of an eight-hour period. Then they'll cross-check each other and come to me
and discuss exactly what it is that I was in fact saying because I've written it all down , and if
they are correct, the sensory one will be more accurate than the electronic one, which is more
dependent upon atmospheric conditions and stuff.  Then they can make a presentation in a
courtroom based on that evidence.

Danea: So, you're saying they have equipment that can listen inside of your head?

Glen: I wouldn't be surprised.

Danea: Wow.

Glen: If it can't listen, it can sure communicate.

Danea: I don't know what's worse.

Glen: The whole idea is to create a distraction in a person at a critical moment in their thinking
processes, and so far, it's used most often in sports. A guy who's at the plate waiting to get the
ball over the fence, or a golfer on the tee, or a tennis player seeing a ball coming in his direction
just before he goes to hit it, gets distracted for a fraction of a second, and it can take a guy like
Tiger Woods from being 95% accurate and dropping it down to 60% or 65%.

Danea: I've seen people, watching games, and a pop-up fly ball, something elementary that they
catch since Little League. They sit there and oops, where'd it go? They close the glove a little too
early or something.

Glen: Tiger Woods went through a period this year where he was hitting only about 60% of the
fairways on the tee, and that makes no sense at all. So, either they were working at it or he was
acting. He was bought out and playing a part if he wasn't being distracted by this kind of activity.

Danea: It's a distraction , I think also it might play on maybe their confidence at that exact
moment. They lose their confidence or they get in a rut now because their confidence is down.

Glen: Yeah, and they can get the body then to produce the chemistry, it's linked to depression.
[inaudible] for a long time.


Danea: It's easier, I think on especially sports players used to getti ng praise and all of a sudden
now they're in front of everybody messing up  left and right . It’s one thing if you're doing it by
yourself, but everybody’s watching you, the world's watching you . It’s like they can really mess
with you, I think.

Glen: Well, that's what happened to the Montreal goalie Terry Price, who basically was a phenom
in his first two years for the Montreal Canadiens, and he's been through a period of about a year
and a half now, where he looks worse than the worst  at critical times. They're hoping that he's
now come out of it because he's played two games back to his old form. Tonight's his third, that's
what Tom and I were sitting in front watching. Tom watches the game, I watch the players.

Danea: He definitely watches the game.

Glen: That’s basically what I've done,  I've had (I guess you’ve heard about it) a change of mind
from Stephanie. She decided that she doesn't want to move into the house because I'm too
suspicious.

Danea: She said this to you?

Glen: Yeah. She said, if people don't do things that are suspicious, I'm not suspicious. When they
do things that are suspicious, I get suspicious. In any event, I hope that she carries out what she
says she's going to do, which is to move to this area anyways, go to school here and be part of the
group. Because it's important that we have representatives of all genders, all nationalities, all
races, and certainly important to have people who disagree with us as well.

Can't make a full complement of a perfect human being unless you assemble the close to
perfect parts of 13 different people. Each one may have a thirteenth of them that's perfect and
the rest of them that's full of shit. I hope that it all works out in the end. I think it's on its way in
that direction. We'll see more next summer. Scottie has contacted me and he wants to come back
as soon as possible. So, we probably will see him in the new year.

Danea: You'll see me.

Glen: Good

Danea: Definitely.

Glen: You're an important part not just for who you are but for your understanding of Japanese
activities as well, and the music, I think, is also important in setting the stage for people thinking
properly. Kind of a  division between life as it rumbles around us all the time to something
different in the way of music gets people focused better. I believe, anyway.


Danea: I'll do my best.  That's kind of what drew me to that instrument.  I was like, what is this
thing? I heard people playing it and I said , I have to try it myself. I may not be the best but I just
try whatever I can. I get my ass kicked by it every time I play it because I’m not worthy to play it
sometimes, I feel. Maybe that's my medulla kicking in , I tear myself apart.  I think I'm my worst
critic sometimes.

Glen: I'm sure that with the right kind of audience, people with functioning brains, things sound
differently. You're not getting the same ho hum that you get on the radio , type of thing . It
probably will be very helpful in the long run. I wasn't joking when I said I'll trade you that bag of
chicken feed for a month of playing out in the field. If it only slows down the traffic a little bit.

Danea: I was trying that angle too when I was there.  I was like, let me get right next to the
sculpture. That instrument I find, I like to go places, public areas, well, not so public, where a lot
of people might be walking by a train station or something around 4 or 5 o'clock when people are
getting out for work. They're coming from the city or something, and nine times out of ten they've
never heard anything like that.  Just to break their - wow there's different stuff out there.  Open
your mind a little or just stop them from being a bee for half a second.

Glen: The brain is very much like an elastic band and it's taut all the time , it's really stretched
out, and w hen you come across something different like that music it basically releases the
stress on it and allows the brain to come back to its original shape. Because if you don't do that
occasionally, it atrophies. Then you're lost, you're not able to do it physically, you end up with
nervous problems and everything related to it.

Danea: That's definitely true. Have you been hearing any more of those noises from down below
or that ceased?

Glen: I haven't heard any noises from below.  The one thing that's different that I've noticed is
that we had a visitor during one night that was an ox, a bull, cow type animal, bovine. You can
tell by the shape of the foot prints that it came basically from next door. They have six animals, I
think, three cows, two bulls, and an ox , and I checked the foot prints and it looked like it came
directly to the gate and stood at the gate and walked by the area in which Scottie had his fire pit
there beside, and then I traced it to the back, up the hill where the grave used to be, and that was
basically that night, but two nights later, a set of foot prints again appear, and this time it wasn't
like just wandering around.

If one were to put down seven, eight, or ten different things that we do on the site here, each
one of them was visited by this ox, suggesting that in fact somebody was riding it. That sounds
a little strange in this part of the world, however in India it would be a normal thing. They're used
for such purposes. The strangest thing is I started checking up on “Siwa”, or “Siva”, “Shiva”, the
god of destruction in old Hindu mythology, Brahman, Buddhist, Taoist, and that kind of stuff ,
and he's represented by an ox, and of course in some of the groups of that religion they treat
the ox as a god and provide it with special quarters, it lives the life of a king, basically.


A bunch of people slaving around it, give it food and clean out its space and all of that stuff. But
they believe it's reincarnated like the Buddha, and it has to be a black animal with a white thing
on the forehead . I went and leaned on the fence to try to get a good look at the animals they
have next door and see if it was in fact a bull, a cow, or an ox. An ox is supposed to be castrated.
I have yet to determine for certain, but it looks like from my point of view, which wasn't very well
positioned because he kept looking at me, standing facing me all the time, I couldn't see anything
underneath.

Like, he didn't even have a penis as far as I could tell, which you would expect from a bull.
Castration basically would mean removal of the testicles and that shouldn't affect that part. It was
not visible, there was nothing visible , so I'm still trying to see for certain what's going on.  It's
interesting that we live in Oxford Mills and the destroyer at the end of the world, “Siwa”, which
by the way is a play on the word “amis” or “sima”, which is the moho discontinuity. He apparently
has a consort,  goddess whose name- he has a number of names, one of them is “Kali”. Sounds a
lot like “Kealey”, but a second name it has is “Ambika”.

Danea: Oh really?

Glen: Coincidence?

Danea: Oh wow.

Glen: I don't believe in coincidence. So strange, strange things.

Danea: Wow, it's just like players on a stage, man.

Glen: I told her that this afternoon when she called , but she said she knew, she had seen it in
some of the documentation. She thought that she was the goddess of destruction according to
the story, and I said no, it's him that's the god of destruction , and you're basically his wife or
girlfriend or whatever. So, I said it's telling me that you need to get here because if we're going
to stop the destruction of the world, we want all of the insiders possible.

Danea: It won't hurt to have an Ambika around.

Glen: Hey, get over here George, I need to talk to you. But also interesting that she's married to
a Mormon.

Danea: Yeah, I know. Before I even knew about the Mormon thing, I was like wow, the connection
to your property and everything.

Glen: There's no doubt that they play a role in all of this because they have the other half of
the plate.

Danea: Let's go try to get it.


Glen: And it was given to them in New York State, so not too far from here geographically
speaking.

Danea: No, not at all.

Glen: Every day for me here is an experience . I get up never knowing what to expect, and I'm
constantly surprised at the linkages that appear in the  pre-Ice Age lifestyle, Troglodytes in the
middle, the Syrian lifestyle around Hurri and the Hittites and Hurrians, those people up there,
and then the Egyptians and the  18th Dynasty. All of it to me seems like the same story being
repeated over and over and over again without getting to the conclusion. That's why I refer to
it as the unfinished symphony waiting for us, as far as I can tell, to be the one that brings it t o
an end one way or the other.

Danea: Quite amazing, huh? Okay, so there's no more of that noise underneath, and-

Glen: Not that I know of, but I haven't been looking for it and I haven't been in that part.

Danea: So, is the Cell broadcasting something around your house? I'm calling you and I'm hearing
click, click, click.

Glen: Oh, that's Bell Canada.

Danea: It's really strong today and it's a lot more frequent. Every 20 seconds I'm hearing it.

Glen: You gotta remember that Bell Canada has an antenna on the house to the north of us , it
has one on the house across the street, the people's names there are “Gorell”, linked to “Gore”,
and we're kind of in the middle between these two. The people on the south side of us used to
live here as well, and the construction of this house being basically an assembled prefab with
no gyprock anywhere in the house , suggests that there could be anything anywhere in any of
the walls, and certainly a good shot of wind with a hurri cane coming by would probably blow
it to pieces.

So, this house has had a purpose from the beginning. The grave I found has the name “Patton”
on it as the person who lived here and died in 1865. By a strange coincidence when you look at
the 18th dynasty and the building of a new capital for the  new “Aten” religion, a part of that
area was set aside for the nobles, and it's like the pharaoh's cabinet each have a house there.

The guy in charge of national defense, his name was “Patton”. Getting AWACS planes flying over
the top, getting planes from our security  services, CSIS, flying over the top. All of these things
I'm sure don't happen on every farm in Canada. So, there is a knowledge of what we're doing.
I've been attempting, as you must have read on the e -mails, to get through to the politicians .
The main one being  “Robert Runciman”, usually a name that starts with R's, like Rockefeller
and Rothschild, into the money, and his name suggests he's their number one man in this area.


Can't get a budge out of any of them, federal or provincial . Can't get the police to investigate
police-protected crime. Is it simply because they think I'm crazy? I doubt it. As a matter of fact,
there have been editorials written in the Ottawa Citizen about the opposite at one time when
I was on Parliament Hill. So, the construction that is going on in the area on the infrastructure,
the roads, I mean every day, morning till night, gravel trucks and everything is suggestive that
something is being dug out someplace else in the area.

Maybe they're trying to clean out whatever it is underground here so that those noises don't
occur again. I don't know what the heck they're doing. All I know is that the shopping center, the
main shopping center that they are building was supposed to be delayed. That was spoken about
early this summer until 2012, and now they've announced that it's going to begin construction
in the spring. Walmart is the main tenant, but the first one to build is Staples.

The name “Staples” sounds a lot like  “Abel”, “Honor Abel”. So, there's activity. Ottawa, the
national capital of Canada, has enlarged its footprint by amalgamating all the rural communities
around it to the point where it's now the largest area for a national capital in the world when
it comes to rural property attached to the city . So, it looks like they're preparing for an
additional million or two people into that area. They know.

Danea: It played the same way in that 2012 movie, too.  They probably knew- their whole thing
was the Mayan solar flare thing that's going to come . But I think they had three or four  years
preparation, and the big theme was the guy who helped discover it said, when are you going to
tell the people? They were joking, like, we're not going to tell the public, are you crazy? . They're
going to want to get on these ships, I’m not going to tell them, they're all just going to go down.

Glen: Well, at one time it was illegal for weathermen to announce a coming hurricane.

Danea: Oh, wow.

Glen: It was not that long ago that they authorized the discussion on the news about major
weather problems coming. I heard the guy on CNN discuss the topic one day that they couldn't
talk about things like hurricanes, and it was basically out of fear of being sued.  You get sued
because it happens, or you get sued because it doesn't happen. So now that they've made it legal
to speak about it, they've removed the threat of legal action if it's less or more than what is
announced. So, if they did that until at least the 60s, if not the 70s, then would they talk about
the possibility of the end of the world? I doubt it.

Danea: Would anyone listen?

Glen: Yeah, and would anyone listen? They've dumbed them down so much.

Danea: It's a frenzy. So, the water hasn't dropped any in that little pond back there, has it?


Glen: No. Water doesn't drop in the pond, it freezes. It's only 18 inches deep. You're talking about
right behind the house or you’re talking about the creek?

Danea: You know the one when you're looking at it with the old grape site, you can see the water
right there?

Glen: That's the creek.

Danea: Oh, that's the creek?

Glen: Yeah.

Danea: It looked like it was standing water.

Glen: It basically would go down somewhat every fall, and at this period it would be at its lowest.
However, for the last two years or three years now, there's been more rainfall in August and
September, than there ever was before. So, I was walking on the back of the property, and there's
still water on our site next to where the fence is, just below the height of my rubber boots.  So
that's almost 10 inches of water above ground in that area.

That usually was gone. When we arrived here in the year 2000, that would have been gone at the
beginning or middle of June when all the snow had melted.  A couple of weeks after that, the
water was dried up. But in the last two or three years, there's water on the ground year-round. I
mean, it freezes in the wintertime.

Danea: Especially this year, it rained a lot too.

Glen: They're listening in on our conversations, they're tapping the phone lines , they're doing
everything they can to stop me from posting. They keep sending me messages - your program
has performed an illegal operation and will shut down. Boom! Everything's gone off the screen,
I have to reload everything . I don’t know, i t doesn't seem to be that they want to stop me
because they don't repeat it the next time, they just do it every day, kind of thing, once. But as
soon as I reload it, they don't repeat it . So, they are basically trying to stress me but not stop
me. I don't get stressed by that kind of thing…

Danea: You expect it now, right?

Glen: When you've lived my life, by the time you're 69, you've had so much of this stuff that it's
normal.

Danea: Kind of like I used to get really disappointed in people, but then now I'm used to it because
everyone's pretty [inaudible] I , mean in anything


Glen: [inaudible] some people that this week as well. When I first arrived here and I came to the
conclusion about what was going on, I made a pledge that I would do everything I can to
prevent it from happening and that I would really feel bad if I couldn't stop it . But in the last
two or three years, I've moved off of that position. I still would do everything I can to prevent
it from happening, but I'm not going to feel as bad as I thought I would if I don't stop it before
phase one.

Because the more I live this life, the more I realize that there's a whole bunch of people out
there that are not worth saving , and humanity might benefit from their disappearance , and if
they all think that they're saved and they're going to get into these submarines or whatever and
go to some secret place, but in fact they're all going to be destroyed, kind of parked underneath
Lake Ontario or what have you. Those people I wouldn't mind seeing leaving the planet.

Danea: Right, the first ones.  Yep, the helpers in all this. That's true. I mean, I've even thought
about it to like preventing this.

Glen: I don't think they'd be allowed to bring their servants.

Danea: They might though.  They want to.  Maybe one day. I was thinking about that too, like
you're trying to stop this, and they never know you stopped it, then they're going to continue to
be like how they are. Even the regular mass people.

Glen: We're not the ones who are going to do the actual stopping.  I mean, that's too big an
event for us. What we can do is by creating Critical Mass, put the onus back where it belongs in
the hands of Creation and say, okay, we've proven to you that there is a redeeming social
interest saving this planet, because there are people with functioning brains on it who are still
able to decipher what's going on and are calling upon Creation for help.

So, as we hand over the responsibility to Creation, then basically there's no doubt Creation can
make certain events happen or not happen , that would allow life to continue on this planet
under what circumstances, I don't know . As long as Creation hasn't lost complete belief that
this place is worth saving, because if it does there's nothing that can be done , and it will if we
can't produce 13 people with a functioning brain.

So, my task is basically to remind Creation every day that in order for me to be able to do that,
I need the resources . I'm not asking for anybody else's money , I'm asking for money owed to
me by the thieves who stole it from me , who control our world , and if I should happen to
acquire those funds, they will be redistributed within a month to those people I believe might
in fact form this Critical Mass, and not trusting in my own judgment, I'm not going to limit it to
13, I'm going to go for 30, hoping that in the 30 there are 13 who tell the truth.

Danea: It's like looking for a passing grade on a test, right?


Glen: Yeah. So, I'm waiting and patience has never been my virtue s. My ex-wife used to call me
stubborn and I used to remind her that no, I wasn't stubborn , I was “tenacious” There is a
difference. It's very difficult for most people to identify, especially when they're the target of my
tenacity. But it's funny that the word “tenacity” has “ten” in it, and it's attached to “ici” ⇠ “aci”,
and it says “T-Y” ⇢ transmitting two in one. Anyways, that's where I'm at. It's going to be a winter
that will continue.

If Scottie comes back after Christmas, he's going to start on a trial, and the trial is, how does one
survive if one is all of a sudden confronted with the fact that there are no stores ? You can't go
and buy your food at the grocery store. How can one survive on a place like this farm? And I've
got to teach him how to slaughter a goat, I've got to go through how you kill a chicken, and then
because it's the first winter, and he hasn't done the garden thing yet, we're going to supply him
with veggies. He's going to have to try to live off the land, basically off of goat stew. I mean, if he
was Arabic, I'm sure he'd love it. Being Scottish, I'm not so sure.

Danea: That goat's good though. I'm a fan.

Glen: You're a fan of goat?

Danea: Yes, to eating goat, and ox tail.

Glen: Maybe you should come and spend a week with him and show him some recipes or
something.

Danea: We'll think of our own recipes.

Glen: Eh?

Danea: We'll combine, maybe he'll get some Scottish flavor in there and I'll throw in some rice
bread and we'll make some new recipes. I'm down to learn that as well. My father has a farm but
[inaudible]

Glen: [inaudible] your company.

Danea: What was that?

Glen: He would enjoy your company.

Danea: I wasn't raised on a farm but my father always kind of put me out there and took me into
nature, and he actually has his own farm now in Pennsylvania. So, when I go up there, it's kind of
like going to your house, nothing around, nice and quiet.  That's when I get to unwind.  Where I
live, all I see is windows everywhere so I feel like I'm on stage all the time.


Glen: I was raised in downtown Ottawa so I know a little bit about that feeling. I was within about
a mile of Parliament Hill in Ottawa.

Danea: Oh yeah, definitely the same feeling here.

Glen: But when I arrived here, it was for me a catharsis that changed my life basically, because
I never stopped basically to listen or smell or feel the wind. You feel a storm when you're in the
city and you don't think about the wind. So, it changed my approach to everything. That life is
not being on a Ferris wheel. Life is much more interesting sober than drunk.

Danea: Yeah, that's for sure.

Glen: If the circumstances around make it possible, everyone should live on a farm, and maybe
after Phase 1 that will be the case.

Danea: Yeah, everyone should know how to survive, as far as living off the land, because that’s
what’s going to be left. You're not going to be getting supplies coming in every week.  It’s not
going to be like that. I don't think so anyway.

Glen: And your menu has to match what's available in the quantities that it's available as well.

Danea: Yeah, exactly. And to know how to store food , and store food without electricity . You
already have that kind of figured out, I guess.

Glen: Yeah, cold cellar type of approach.

Danea: Things like that.

Glen: So, that's what we're going to be doing this winter. If he doesn't manage to come, then it's
something that I want to try, and I'll be probably starting that in the spring. I hope he comes-

Danea: When is he trying to shoot back?

Glen: Eh?

Danea: When is he trying to come back? Like around when?

Glen: Christmas.

Danea: Christmas? Oh, that's soon. Ok

Glen: In January, I guess. He lost his grandmother while he was there , so she passed away. So,
they're having all kinds of family reunions until Christmas , and then he'd be more free. He's got
to raise the money for the airline and get himself over here.


Danea: It might be better after Christmas anyway. I think the prices go back down. I think.

Glen: You hope.

Danea: Yeah, I hope. Well, I pretty much got the drive down to you.  I could do it probably with
my eyes closed now.

Glen: How much did it cost in gas? Did you figure that out?

Danea: Well, what I did was I filled up, I think… let's see… it all depends on how much I start out
with. I know in New Jersey the gas is probably 40 cents cheaper than it is around me. So, I kind of
just coast to Jersey and fill up.  Then from Jersey I made it to maybe two exits before Canada,
because I knew Canada had more expensive gas, so I got gas again.

But on one tank until I bleed it dry, I could get to your house. So, I have a 20-gallon tank in my car.
So, it all depends on how I drive.  The mountains is what kills me going up.  You put more weight
and everything. Gas-wise, I'd say I'd do a quick in my head , maybe under $100, I'd say.  Maybe
$150, maybe round-trip if I did it. I'd say maybe under $100, though.

Glen: I think that's what Stephanie had paid from Massachusetts was about $100.

Danea: Yeah. I was also doing probably 80mph the whole way. It was a long drive. It was about a
six-and-a-half-hour drive with no traffic. But there's people that are, for instance, on the forum,
the guy lives in, I think, Rochester, and that's only about a couple hours away. I drove past it. I was
like, oh, wow, it's just like a hop, skip, and a jump to your place. A lot of people are all talk, I think.

Glen: Six-and-a-half hours from Ottawa takes one to Niagara Falls. So that is a comparative thing
I can use for judging the distance. Toronto is about four-and-a-half hours from Ottawa and Niagara
Falls a couple hours later.

Danea: It's pretty much a straight drive right through. Pretty much the skinnier part of New York
State was the way I go. I'm just east of all the lakes over there, and I shoot up that way through
Pennsylvania. I could go the other way where it's just all upstate New York, but I think it's a little
longer. But, yeah, it's no big deal. For where I'm going and what you're doing over there, it's not
a big deal.

Glen: Well, we're waiting for you any time you feel like coming and spending some time, even for
a weekend in the winter or whatever.

Danea: Okay. I just have to watch for the blizzards you get. Well, my car is front-wheel drive, so.

Glen: Yeah, you live with those things after a while.


Danea: I'm used to snow.

Glen: If you keep away from the big bodies of water, like you don't head for Lake Ontario. Cross
the St. Lawrence at Montreal even. That basically is the cleanest part of the drive from Montreal
to here on the Canadian side of the St. Lawrence here.

Danea: I don't know if I told you, when I left your place that evening, it started raining, and then
it started pouring rain where I was. I mean, I had to go maybe 20, 15 miles an hour with my wipers
on as high as they can go, and I saw lightning probably about, I'd say, 60 feet away. I thought, oh,
man, I better be [inaudible] Oh, great, here it comes, you know.

Glen: The flood, the deluge!

Danea: I was like, oh, great.

Glen: It was just Creation saying goodbye.

Danea: Hehe. That's good, yeah. Alright.

Glen: Okay.

Danea: Yes.

Glen: Talk to you again.

Danea: Enjoy the rest of your night.

Glen: Say hi to Jerd.

Danea: Yes, I'll talk to Jerd.

Danea: Jerd, he had some issue with a phone, so he's been meaning to get to you. So as soon as
his phone gets squared away, [inaudible], he wanted me to- I'll send my condolences.

Glen: Yeah. Okay.

Danea: Alright. Have a good one.

Glen: Yep.

Danea: Okay. Bye.