Teaching the Horse to Sing

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Teaching the Horse to Sing - Feb 2009


Glen: Hello.

Jerd: Hello. Glen? How's it going?

Glen: Good, did you get your parcel yet?

Jerd: Oh, no, I didn't get it yet. When did you get it?

Glen: I sent it out yesterday.

Jerd: Oh, it will probably be here by Monday or Tuesday, something like that. None of that money
can go to you?

Glen: Money is for the institute and it pays for the papers . The papers then pay for running the
farm - the experiments that we're doing by raising animals. So, in the end, the money ends up as
chicken feed, goat feed, hay, and straw.

Jerd: Oh, okay. I think I heard you mention that anything over a certain amount, it can't go to you
directly.

Glen: If it's a small amount, it goes into petty cash if we have no petty cash , and if it's a larger
amount, it goes to the bank. Usually, $100 goes to the bank first, but if we have no petty cash and
we need to buy something for the animals, feed or whatever, then it goes on that.

Jerd: The dots are connecting more and more every day for me.

Glen: Well, that's what we hope for . Once you have the premise, and you start doing your
homework. I had one guy from, I don't know if you know him, his name is Vic.

Jerd: Oh, Vic. I know Vic.

Glen: Yeah, he kept writing to me, writing to me, and obviously never doing any search on his
own in the file , and I told him  the day before yesterday I said, I'm not here to repeat what I've
written every day for the last five, seven years. It's up to you to take what I send out, or go to the
archives and look up stuff, and if you have questions on the things in the archives, then you ask.
But this thing of calling three, four times a day to ask me the simplest things, that can't happen
anymore.

Jerd: Yeah, I know, he tends to do that.




Glen: So, he calls me up yesterday again and he says, I want you to speak to my grandmother and
tell her that it's okay. He says, they're putting me in jail for an altercation I had with my dad, and
I want you to tell her it's okay that I can call you collect from jail.  I said, what are you talking
about? It's not okay. Who do you think I am, Mr. Moneybag here?

Jerd: Oh, man, wow. He put me on the phone before with his grandfather, and asked me to talk
to him to try to convince him. But I can't convince the guy.  When I was researching your stuff, I
came across a post where you mentioned Immanuel Velikovsky , a nd his book.  I actually ran
across a website that has all of his work  archived. But I was talking to a friend and he told me, I
don't know how true it is, but he said that a bunch of scholars got together and debunked him.

Glen: Well, it's the same thing with everybody. People debunk me because I won't give them titles
of books. Because when I did, they disappeared from the book list  - you couldn't buy them
anymore. Canada bans the books that I mentioned so they can't even be imported into the
country. They're the other team, and you have to accept they're out there. They don't want you
to learn anything, so they're going to attack , and since they have nothing to attack on, they
attack people who basically tell the truth.

Jerd: I'm definitely going to read that book . Seeing that this journey I'm on, I’ve spent a lot of
money on buying books and, I really don't mind, because I was doing that anyway.

Glen: It’s the only way you can learn ; you have your own experiences  and you do your own
work, and from the stuff you read, you get hints at looking up things you may not have thought
about.

Jerd: From one of your older posts, you wrote:


















I looked up G ibran, and it's interesting  that he was trained by an ecclesiasti c Maronite priest. I
think he helped the New Age movement, and all that stuff. In the next paragraph, you talk about
Mizpah of Gilead, and I read Genesis 31:49 in the Bible, mentioning Mizpah. So, I looked up that
“Mis Pi Ritual”, and it goes back to a cult in Mesopotamia. I couldn't find anything more. I have
to buy the book, but I don't know if I should buy it or not -  it's $116. It explains it a little bit more.

Glen: I have that here I think - the ritual.

Jerd: Oh, you bought it?

Glen: Yeah.

Jerd: Oh, okay. I guess I will buy it. When they put the rocks on top of each other in that passage
in the Bible, is that an agreement?

Glen: Yeah, it's a contract. They usually put it halfway between the contractors, the people who
are in on the contract, on their properties, they put it halfway in between, to remind each other
that they have a contract.

Jerd: Is it related to stone hedge or something?

Glen: Well, that is mostly cairns that the Vikings built , and of course you have the contract of
Jerusalem with the temple underneath and the dome of the rock on top.  The fights between
Hamas and Israelis, is a put on - it's a family feud. Hamas, if you look at it, it's the word amis ⇢
friends [of the system]. It's all of the Semite tribes - each have a job to do, and one of the jobs
is to create tension in the Middle East , because that's where the final war is supposed to be
fought.

But if you're paying attention to the news these days, it won't be long before there is going to be
nuclear activity in the Middle East . There's 17,000 more Americans going to Afghanistan right
now. There is a request from NATO for all the NATO troops to be brought to Afghanistan. There is
Chinese, Japanese, and French ships being sent to the Gulf on the pretext of fighting Somalian
pirates. There is a 10-ship flotilla - left England a week or two ago, on its way to the Red Sea.

So don't be surprised if on a night this summer, the longest evening of the year, or a midsummer
night's dream, that you're going to hear about nuclear activity in the Middle East . All of these
attacks by terrorists, Pakistan, India, and everything, they're to basically justify what is about
to happen. Any war by a superpower against terrorists , door-to-door, is stupid. It's a waste of
lives.

The only way you shut down terrorists, is go to their training headquarters, and annihilate the
place, so that there is a price for them to pay. That's what they did in Japan at the end of World
War II when Japan sent out kamikaze bombers. One plane at a time would be attacking a ship and
hitting the ship like a bomb. So, in the end, there was only one answer - two nuclear bombs.


Jerd: They've done this before in history - Robin Hood is a perfect example. Him and the king were
in the same lodge together. He robbed people, and that was just an excuse to tax the people. This
is a rerun to me.

Glen: Abel and Cain; Abel is the guy who basically plays it cool behind the scene, you don't see
him, but everybody honors Abel ⇢ that’s why in court ⇢ honorable ⇢ the honorable so-and-
so. Cain is the builder ⇢ Cain is the mason.

Jerd: So that's the dialectic. It's all based on those two, I guess.

Glen: Here you'd have to say that the Clan Mothers and the Neanderthalers are working
together. Except the Clan Mother may not have had any choice in the matter, at the beginning.
The symbolism is Medulla ⇢ Medusa, goddess of North Africa, who begat the Amazons ⇢ the
women without breasts were men ⇢ the men with breasts were women.

Jerd: From reading, I get led to looking at the different animals in the animal kingdom.  I saw
something called dimorphism - the difference between genders of the same species . One is a
worm, (I think it's pronounced Osedax) it  feeds off the whale bones.  It's a female worm that
carries a male that doesn't grow past the larvae stage.  The male lives inside , and all it does is
provide sperm.

Then you have the anglerfish and the male of that species is a little tiny parasite that lives off the
back end of the anglerfish.  I guess that's where they got the idea of the perfect slave with the
male inside. I understand that concept. I see how the males are in these species, and that brings
me back to the human species. Basically, men are a support structure for women.

Glen: Yet, they've been fooled into turning it around . Now you have women doing chores in
support of men, men becoming politicians and long -term thinkers, when they're not basically
equipped for the job. Of course, the Japanese tell you about the little guy in the neck by taking
all of the plants, the trees, and miniaturizing them, making bonsai trees . Taking women and
making geishas out of them . Mild mannered during the day, wild like an animal at night. Same
word - mild and wild, just flip the letter.

Jerd: You said something about women following the ir program is ⇢ sovereignty and security,
and men following their program ⇢ is sex and a sandwich. So, originally men weren't just sex in
a sandwich, they were just the support structure, I guess

Glen: They were basically doing what they were built to do ⇢ hunt, fish, build cabins, all of the
kind of things that were needed , mostly in heavier labor  - lifting, running, jumping, climbing ;
that kind of stuff. Women were basically gardening, waiting for the meat to be brought in.
Young girls taking care of the babies. Older women teaching boys about sex.

Jerd: Sounds like a better time.


Glen: Yeah. It would be difficult to reverse the process. Not impossible, but certainly not doable
in a lifetime, in our lifetime. Probably 200 years or so.

Jerd: People are so far gone.

Glen: That's why the system, now that they've brought us to this point, doesn't try to change
us into a better slave, they choose to destroy us and start over.

Jerd: They’re destroying the family unit, and some people are fighting that. But they don't realize
that the family structure is fake.

Glen: Some parts of the world, they emphasize family. In other parts of the world, they emphasize
the breakup of family.

Jerd: I've heard that the king and queen were a model for the people to emulate down below.

Glen: Except they had to work down below, and the king and queen waited for the stuff to be
brought up to them.

Jerd: Some of the kings, when you look back in history, they really believed that they were divinely
chosen. King James, he thought he was chosen by god.

Glen: Well, he was - he knew he was. The priests don't like fighting, because that's work. So, the
duty that they had when they were priests and in charge is they had to do the fighting ; that's
what knights were. Knights were, on the one hand, priests, and on the other hand, soldiers.

Jerd: I noticed that. Have you ever watched the movie Apocalypto?

Glen: Apocalypto, I don't remember if I saw that. The name is familiar, of course.

Jerd: Mel Gibson produced it. It's in South America about the Mayans.

Glen: I think I've seen the commercial for it a number of times, but I don't think I've seen the
movie.

Jerd: It's interesting. It wasn't really a clan. They had the priestly class who would sacrifice people,
and they had the people fooled using the stars and the lunar eclipse. Then they had another group
of people who were part of the same caste, but they went out and hunted people to get
sacrificed. When I was reading Alan Watts’ book, he was saying that it's a technique that they use
when they molest people, they turn them into deviants.




Glen: Genetics is an interesting study, because a gene is designed to do something specific.  But
you can manipulate genes and change its actual task  [in a] laboratory, [and] that's called
epigenetics. The story of genetics is basically what it means.  The EPI basically means modifying
an existing gene, not simply taking the basic genes that we had at first, but also modifying those
genes. If they saw a deviation come about from a gene, and they noticed what had occurred in
the gene, they could induce it to emphasize it more and bring it more down the line that t hey
wanted - mass murderers, serial rapists, that kind of stuff.

Jerd: When I was reading Morals and Dogma, he brought up some Roman dictators, and they
were all related.

Glen: Yeah, they all came from the same crypt . The two gangs that you have in Los Angeles are
telling you the story, the crypts and the bloods. They're basically saying , I come from a dead
mummy, or I come from a live mother.

The mummy produces the genes, and her offsprings then have four generations of the use of
those genes . But then their effectiveness dies out, so you've got to boost it with another
mummy. The word for mummy is crypt. In a crypt, you're dead.

Jerd: So, are crypts and blood also a representation of Cain and Abel?

Glen: Yeah. It tells you that they didn't invent their names, that they are a government
department.

Jerd: Oh yeah, just looking at the symbols, they’re very occultic. Even the colors, usually red and
blue. From what I understood, red and blue are left brain, right brain, the hermaphrodite. But I've
also heard that red in the color coding, also means revolution.


Glen: Well, the blue is from the original, that's why they call them blue
bloods ⇢ Neanderthalers, and their direct descendants ⇢ Roma. The
red are the Persians. The word “Persian” ⇢ because a “p” can be a “d”
⇢ P-E-R is really the word “red”, from Asia. So, the red Asians as
opposed to the yellow Asians.

Jerd: Plus, they have IRS in the name.

Glen: All of that is linked to information passed down to them in
books. These Neanderthalers would prepare a book and put
somebody's name on it, like Ptolemy.  But there is no such person as
Ptolemy. It was a coded version to say, amis (friends) comes from us -
now you make copies and distribute it within certain monasteries.

But to make certain that no one who was unauthorized - even the people who were doing the
copying, would know the story, they were only given certain pages. Like one monastery for
copying purposes might get page 1, 5, 9, 14, 82, and another one would get something else. Then
they'd all send it in to the headquarters who would assemble the pages into the number of
volumes that they wanted . All of that was  hinted at in the “ Name of the Rose ” with  Sean
Connery. That's the work they were doing, was copying books . The word “rose”, of course,
means “ruse”.













Jerd: With the word Jerusalem, it was interesting how you said it was the first, second, and the
third. I guess the “Je” being Judaism, the “rus” for resurrection in Christianity, and “alem” for
Islam. Wow, I never saw that one before.

Glen: The letter “J”, as you have in your name, is really a “D” in the code. Write a “J” in your mind's
eye, then do another one, and turn it upside down, leading up, curving over ⇢ it makes the letter
“D”. “De” is often used to replace the word “the”. That's why a lot of black people have been
taught songs where the word “De” is used instead of “the.” I'm trying to think of the old black
songs there by the Mississippi there - Da Mississippi, that kind of stuff.

So, if you look at “Jerusalem” ⇢ it's “the-ruse-alem”. The
main translation of “alem” is Elam ⇢ which is media ⇢ the
capital city of the country called Media in Persia was called
Elam. It was changed later to become Susa.

Jerd: Susa - a Boy called Sue.

Glen: And USA.

Jerd: But with that “sue”, I noticed that you said it’s in Jesus
and Zeus.

Glen: Yeah, because an “E” can be an “A”, so USA or SUE is
the same word in the code.

Jerd: This week I've been looking into the history of Buddhism.

Glen: Yeah, Alan Watts.

Jerd: Oh yeah, Alan Watts, hehe.

Glen: There is an Alan Watts.

Jerd: Yeah, I know. He's a Zen master or something like that.

Glen: He was a specialist in Buddhism.

Jerd: Which brand of it? There are so many different sects now.

Glen: Alan Watts, born 1915, died 1973. English Buddhist scholar, one of the most influential 20th
century interpreters of Zen Buddhism to the West.  Watts was born in Chi slehurst, England on
January 6, 1915. His first book, The Spirit of Zen, was published in 1936. He came to the United
States in 1939. He attended Seabury Western Theological Seminary and served as a priest in the
Episcopal Church until 1950.  He taught at several institutions of higher learning and wrote and
lectured on Zen. His most influential book was The Way of Zen, written in 1957. Watts died in Mill
Valley, California on November 16, 1973.

Jerd:  Zen is a Japanese form of Buddhism.

Glen: Yeah. “City Zen” is what you are when you live in a city.

Jerd: When I looked into it, what I found interesting, was that it was all oral teachings originally.
But then they started writing them down in a place called Sri Lanka, around the same time of
Jesus Christ. I can see that that links with the IRS, so I guess that was a warning of the IRS coming.

Glen: Yeah. IRS ⇢ Paris ⇢ City Zens during the revolution. The media, Citizen
Kane in Hollywood, the movie.

Jerd: I don't even know if the guy [Jesus] really existed. He might have, but when
I was reading the book, in the beginning, he had some good principles, some
truth. But as soon as he died, they just tore it all apart.

Glen: That's why you can never have a democratic institution that is honest ,
because a democratic institution can be so easily taken over. So, any institution
that brings people together should be based upon the person bringing it
together and die with him . If anybody wants to start another institution on
similar principles, after they should do that, but - you take a political party, it's
basically against what is happening, so they form a political party.

You become a member by buying a card for five bucks.  Well, they
create the political party and when it approaches power, the other
political party sends its membership over to buy a membership for five bucks each.
They have the numbers of people, they can overwhelm who's in the new party, take
it over, and it then becomes their party . Democracy is a failed method of managing
people, because of the fact that the media manages the masses, and the masses take
over parties on behalf of the media.

Jerd: Plus, democracy wasn't meant to help the people. It was on the surface, to keep the people
quiet, but really, it was another form of control. It reminds me of a movie called Land of the Blind
- it's an interesting movie. They show you how this country is run by a dictator, and he runs it with
iron fists. He kills his own father who was the previous ruler, and got in power. Then he jails this
political poet for being critical of the government.

They beat this man all the time. The political poet is friends with a prison guard, and after he gets
out, he convinces the prison guard to help him have a coup. Then he takes over the government
and kills the ruler. The guy seemed genuine, but when he ruled, he was even worse than the last
ruler. He had people going to re-education camps, brainwashing them and killing people.

Glen: You've got to remember, though, that when they're making movies, they are pitching a
story they want pitched. Otherwise, you don't make the movie. Much of the time, what it is, is
reversed. Like a Manchurian candidate, a guy wants to kill the president, when the real story is
the president wants to kill the people.








Jerd: Yeah. I see that you've got to mirror a lot of things.

Glen: Yeah. That's how you make the code - you mirror one letter against the other.

Jerd: Is the Desdemona the only type of coding? Don't they have other ones, too?

Glen: It's the main one, and letters can be assembled up to eight together  - eight of the same
letter. The letter Y , for example, when eight of them are put together, make a propeller.


Jerd: You've got to have a good imagination, too.

Glen: But today, there are computers that can do that.  I've been trying to get someone to run
the program to make it. I've had a number of people saying they were going to do it, and they go
off to do it, and I never hear from them again.  It's like they've discovered something you don't
want to share.  My computer is 20 years old , and I don't change it because  every time they
improve the computer, it's not improved for you, it's improved for them. They are able to access
it and cause you all kinds of trouble with the up-to-date computers, much easier than with old
computers and old software.




So as long as my computer can do what I need, which is basically act like a big typewriter, I don't
need their highfalutin things that would allow them to shut me down permanently. They manage
to shut me down temporarily on a number of occasions. But because it's old software, the viruses
aren't made for people like me because there's not enough of us.  They make viruses for the
masses.

Of course, at one time, there weren't enough Apple computers around that they didn't even make
viruses for Apple because those were basically being used by their team.  Now that a number of
people buy Apple , because the word got out that they didn't have the same problems you had
with PCs, they have made an Apple that can also do PC work. That means that now you have the
programs in Apple that allow PC viruses into the computer - viruses and worms.

Jerd: Yeah, because you get all that spyware and it’s just them spying on your computer.

Glen: Sure, they're the ones who are making the viruses , and then they sell you spyware to
catch their virus.

Jerd: It seems like since I've been going on your website and research ing it, I've been getting so
many problems with my laptop. It's an old used laptop I got a few years ago. But it seems like I
always get problems with this thing - it's freezing up on me all the time.

Glen: Well, they'll piggyback stuff onto the stuff they don't want people to be reading or passing
on to other people. So, you've got to put aside a portion of your day to do cleanups. You have to
learn how to do the cleanups not by using their stuff but by doing it yourself.

Jerd: Sometimes I feel like it's overwhelming sometimes.

Glen: Well, it is. For most people, they're not able to deal with this . A few people have been,
for whatever reason, probably that they had a need other than this need, but the needs were
the same, that they had to be nosy, they had to be diggers, they didn't take anybody's word for
granted. They always needed to double-check things. So, they had to make people like that to
keep their system in line, and it's among those people that people like you and I come from.

Jerd: I’ve seen it happen, not a lot, but I see it happening more. I'll probably be making enemies.
There’s this one guy, and we used to research a lot together and all that stuff. All of a sudden, he
says that I’m crazy, that I’m in a cult. This guy knows about a lot of the system, and he  just says
you're crazy, you're in a cult.

Glen: As soon as they say that, I would start suspecting that person. Because if he knows a lot of
things, then he would know that you don't have to be crazy to understand what's going on. You
have to basically do a search. Since he has no answers for what you're telling him, he then has to
attack on a personal level. I would just put that person aside and say he has an agenda, and I don't
have time to waste with people with agendas.


Jerd: I'm surprised by some other people, that I've shown your work to, and they're catching on
quick.

Glen: If you have the brain that's made for this kind of stuff, it's not very difficult . Once you
catch on to the premise, okay, what we're being told in school is not the whole story . It's
basically trying to teach us something by ignoring much of the obvious things that are there .
That's basically like trying to teach how to build a skyscraper from the 10th floor up.  Until you
learn what supports the building, you cannot basically learn anything . In school, they don't
want to tell us what supports the building. How many times in my school, which was a bilingual
French-English Catholic school, did I turn to the teacher and say, what's this four letters on the
crucifix, INRI?

Jerd: Yeah, I used to wonder that, too.

Glen: And they would say, I don't know. What do you mean you don't know?  You're teaching us
stuff. This is right in the middle of the most important symbol, and you don't know?  Where do I
find out? I don't know.

Jerd: I used to go to Catholic school as well, from first through sixth grade. That was an experience.
They did the usual indoctrination and everything. Now I think about it, I'm kind of glad, though,
in a sense, because I'm familiar with the Bible because of that.

Glen: I went to Catholic school, and they wouldn't even talk about the Bible. That was years before
you. It's only recently that the Bible has been allowed. The Bible in our time was for Protestants.
We get the interpretation directly from the pulpit - don't need to read the Bible.

Jerd: We didn't read the Bible.  We read stories in books about the Bible , not straight from the
Bible. When I started talking to you, at first, I was shocked. It was really painful. My thinking was
that there’s something else and we came from somewhere.  But t hen yo u said , no, you're a
genetically engineered. That was really hard for me.

Glen: Because I don't have time to listen to a story I already know, and I have to cut it short. That's
happened to me a number of times. I remember one time in Vancouver when I was giving a talk,
there were a couple of hundred people there.  At the end, in that question period, there was a
guy that got up and sort of argued with me.  He didn't want to go too far, because the people in
the audience were booing him every time he tried to attack me personally.

About three months, four months later, I get a phone call - it's this guy. He said, I just wanted to
let you know that I hated you that night in Vancouver. I hated what you were saying - I hated you.
He said, since then, I've been thinking about what you said.  It makes perfect sense to me now. I
want to apologize. That's happened in different variations probably 10 or 15 times.

Jerd: Where was your last seminar when you had those seminars?




Glen: It was probably a public seminar in Sundridge, Ontario on my way back from out west.  I
gave seminars all the way across Canada. I remember the last trip that I took, I had a guy who was
a former teacher who worked for external affairs, who was a bookworm.  He kept coming to
meetings that I used to go to called Citizens Against Bad Law.  We used to go there to tell them
that there is no bad law. It's a bad interpretation of laws that's the problem.

In any event, this guy invited me to his place once.  He lived in a big house, old house , and you
opened the door and there was just enough room to move sideways in the entire house.  It was
filled with books. He had a little hole in what used to be the front room where he would sit on an
archer reading. The rest of the house, you could barely walk through there. He got a car given to
him because somebody died in the family. I forget what it was, a daughter or something like that.

He said, if you need a car, I'll give you my other one, the one he had, which was about a 10 or 15
year old small Ford. I said, good, I'm going to go on a trip across the country, and that will give me
a car. Then I met another guy who lived in Rock cliffe Park in Ottawa, whose family was very
wealthy. He wasn't particularly wealthy nor poor , he was average.  But he was going to inherit
some money. Part of the things that he had in his life before he was married, was a Chrysler that
he used to tow his boat from Ottawa to Florida.

He looked at me one day saying, are you crazy? You're going to go on a national tour in this Ford.
It probably won't make it to the city limits without falling apart. If you want, I'll sell you for $2, my
Chrysler. It was about 15 years old. I said, I can't own a car, but I can put it in the Institute's name,
but I don't have the money for insurance.  That's when Ann said that she would pay for the
insurance. So, I started on a trip to go across Canada, with what I considered to be the only things
that I owned, and Ann would meet me if I got to Vancouver, British Columbia.

If I didn't, I don't know what would have happened. But I left from Ottawa with the insurance on
the car, the license plates on the car, something like $26 in my pocket, and a sandwich. I drove to
a place called Peterborough.  In Peterborough, there was a guy that had heard about me filing
charges in Ottawa, and getting charges against all those senators and cabinet ministers. He said,
I've got to hold a meeting. He brought together about 60 people, I guess. At the end, they passed
the hat. I think I got something like $300.

Then I went on to Oshawa, I think it was, and held a meeting there.  Then I had a meeting in
northern Ontario, Sault Ste. Marie someplace, and another meeting in Winnipeg. Along the way,
I had to get repairs done on the car. To make a long story short, I had traveled 3,000 miles when I
got to where I was going in BC. I had spent $2,000 on gas, oil, and repairs. I had about $1,800 to
$2,000 in cash just from passing a hat at the end of the meeting.

Jerd: When did you start giving those seminars, like 10 years ago?




Glen: Well, I was always in sales business, and I was always giving seminars in sales.  But to give
seminars on this kind of activity, I began in 1987 . 1987 was the year that I stopped work . My
partners tried to steal the project that I was putting together.

Jerd: I think I've saw a book. Were you an architect, too?

Glen: No, I was a developer. I had an architect working for me. Together, we got bridge financing
from financiers in Montreal. One of them was an auditor, and the other one was a guy who owned
clothing manufacturing business during World War II, and had retired with a lot of money. He had
got control over zippers. Nobody could get zippers in World War II except from him.  He made a
fortune, and he had probably about $20 million. I don't know the exact amount, but he had about
$20 million.

He agreed to invest $400,000 on searching for financing for this project that I had in mind.  We
raised $147 million from pension funds in the province of Quebec. Police, bus drivers, teachers,
the project was going to go ahead on a piece of property that I had to acquire , and had a school
on it. The parents wouldn't sell it because it was downtown, and they were afraid that no school
would be built there.  I made a deal with the parents that I would buy the school for another
school.

Just show me the lot you want to put it on, and I'll build a school there.  So, out of the advance
financing for the project, that's what we did, spent $3.5 million to build a school, moved the
people out, then got the land ready, only to find out that my partners were trying to take control
of the entire project at that point. The project died, basically, because I refused to allow them.
Went to court - I won. But by then, the financiers, the pension funds, withdrew, and Bell Canada
bought the land from my partners. I wouldn't sign off, and they couldn't sell.

But at one stage of the game, I said, okay, if you reimburse all the people that have worked on
the project and don't leave anybody bankrupt, I'll sign off, and I did. They gave the money to a
lawyer, everybody was paid, I walked away with nothing, but I walked away with a sense that
this is a story that I have to search, and while I'm searching, people were asking me questions,
so I would hold meetings , and explain how the politicians were really involved in graft and
corruption. In any event, I'm being called for supper, so, I've got to go.

Jerd: Alright.

Glen: Speak to you again some other time.

Jerd: Okay. Alright, take care.

Glen: Bye.